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organization sponsoring voter fraud. >> i know they are counting on it. they want the option to cheat. >> senator barbara boxer to cheat and steal the election. is mitt romney's 47% remark the biggest change in politics? >> we're not going to play in missouri with todd akin, i can tell you that. so it is yet to be seen whether he stays in or not. >> reince priebus flip flops on supporting todd "s forib "forci akin. >> voters are already casting ballots and polls don't look good for republicans. now we're seeing the underhanded
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attempts to suppress voters and rig the game. for instance, in florida election officials have uncovered suspected voter fraud across the state. a voter registration firm working with republicans turned in forms with fake signatures and false information. republicans have cut ties with the firm and the rnc's communication director says there is nothing to see here. >> at this point we have an allegation. that mere allegation has caused to us act, act swiftly and boldly and sever our ties with this firm because we have a zero tolerance when it comes from this. the other side clearly engaged for a long time in inappropriate behavior. we don't believe it's appropriate. we wanted to make a swift and bold action to deal with that. >> hold the phone. the consulting firm was run by a long time gop operative and was paid nearly $3 million to register republicans if five swing states. michael isikoff reported on the
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extent the republican firm was willing to go to. >> there are reports of these irregularities growing throughout the state. as of last night we had six counties reporting irregularities in voter registration forms from this firm, including, according to paul luxe, a republican supervisor, registering of dead people. >> dead people? if you remember, registering dead people has been a republican talking point for a while. they claim it's been done by democrats. >> there are over 900 individuals who had died before the election and at least 600 of those individuals had died way outside the window that an absentee ballot could have been sent. so we know for a fact that there are deceased people whose identities are being used in elections in south carolina. >> the republican attorney general said dead voters in south carolina were a fact.
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but an investigation by the state election commission showed no evidence of voter fraud. the commission said its review of zombie voters did not include 696 allegedly dead voters. after the investigation the attorney general, well, he changed his tune. >> i hope -- it's my hope there are no deceased voters. but what i do hope the general assembly takes up the issue and updates archaic rules. >> voter i.d. laws specifically target people who are most likely to vote for democrats. since 2011, 34 states introduced laws requiring photo id, and 9 states passed photo id laws.
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it turns out the only wide spread case come from a republican group. there's also stories of outright voter intimidation taking place. the koch brother funded group true the vote is engaging in a voter suppression effort in the state of ohio. according to the l.a. times, the names selected for purging include hundreds of college students, trailer park residents, homeless people and african-americans in counties president obama won in 2008. tonight the fox affiliate in denver, colorado is reporting the state republican party has terminated its relationship with the same voter registration firm accused of fraud down in the state of florida. it happened after this videotape surfaced of a young woman only registering voters who support mitt romney. >> i am polling people but do you vote for romney or obama? >> i thought you were registering voters a minute ago. >> i am, i am. >> and who are you registering?
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all voters? >> i'm actually trying to register people for a particular party because we're out here in support of romney actually. i am. >> and who is paying you for this? >> oh, the -- let me see, we're working for the county clerk's office. >> okay. you cannot come out here -- >> working for the county clerk's office. that means taxpayer dollars goes to that teen-age person to go out and register people who are going to vote for mitt romney. the fox affiliate confirmed the woman worked for the republican firm. this is what happens when republicans get their backs against the wall. they cheat. but i don't think they're going to get away with it. democrats and progressives are schooled up on the latest dirty tricks. eight years ago the republican voter fraud in florida may have gone unnoticed. today we know better. republicans can use lies and intimidation to try to win but no one is going to roll over and
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take it this final. 2012 just a few days away is going to be very, very interesting and i do believe that the american people are on to this. back in 2000, back in 2004 you people are nut jobs talking about voter machines and voter fraud. now it's the real deal and the tape doesn't lie. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, do you think the only way for republicans to win is to cheat? text a for yes, text b for no. can you go to our blog at i'm joined tonight by senator barbara boxer of california. she's written a letter to the justice department to investigate the cases of voter intimidation. senator, good to you have with us tonight. >> thank you. >> i want to start with this group true the vote. what is this group doing? what are you concerned about?
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>> oh, i'm very concerned. all you have to do is just read that "l.a. times" story and it will show you cases in point, for example, a woman who is recovering puerto rico breast cancer -- from breast cancer gets a letter from the county clerk saying your right to vote has been challenged because of your residence. this woman has lived in residence for seven years. an african-american family of eight gets the same kind of letter. your right to vote has been challenged because you live on an empty lot. and there is the woman sitting with her family in front of her home. and this is going on. and i just felt, even i know the obama campaign is ready to act on this but i realize that there are two important the voter
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rights act, passed. 630 that have criminal and civil pents for people who try to intimidate a voter. i wanted to make sure that the justice department is moving on these cases. so did i hear from them today. and although they can't confirm or deny any particular case because i wrote about ohio, they did say that they had opened up 42 investigations this year, which is good to kn >> okay. are these new investigations, senator, or are there going to be more investigations? >> this year. well, here's what they say and this is very important, thank you for pressing me on that. they said 42 investigations are open just this year and they had many more in 2011, meaning they are pursuing, enforcing these laws but they said that i could say that anyone within the sound of my voice or your voice, anyone in this country that
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feels they're being intimidated can call their nearest fbi office because it is a federal offense to harass someone think about all the people that worked so hard and struggled and went to prison and put their life on the line for the right to vote. >> nor -- >> you know, we weren't born yesterday. we know what's happening here. >> no question about it. i want you to replay, did wrn -- someone out registering voters for one party, what do you think of that. >> that's against the law. i used to go out with my registration forms. you say would you like to
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register? you don't know if they're going to register democratic republican, independent or any other party. and you're told it's against the law. we need some enforcement, visible enforcement. i hope people understand that if you are trying to intimidate a voter, that's against the law. that's unpatriotic. you need to fop because -- in 24 states, ed, on election day at the polls, did you know that 24 states allow a voter tole challenges on no reason -- >> just to disenfranchise people. >> and just say i believe that person has no right to vote and if the person doesn't have two forms of idea or doesn't maybe they can cast a provisional ballot. >> i appreciate you being on
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this ballot. senator barbara boxer of california with us tonight. let's turn to alan raymond, author of "how to rig an election." you were involved in a republican election scandal. do you believe the rnc's line about the haute. >> it's getting harder and harder to believe by every passing hour the first response was that this was a rogue employee. now we have something like nine counties. the p i think that if they really were in the dark and they oppose what's going on, they might ask for their money back. i think they should be doing that tonight. >> what's your response to i see a young lady and i'm empathetic. simply the word that she's
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saying, as you've stated, are illegal. i doubt she's working for the county clerk. maybe she is. i don't know. it raises a lot of questions. and it's trouble some. you think. >> apparently the firm is involved in all the seven swing states. >> could this affect an election in your opinion? >> absolutely. for instance, if you look at the florida situation, where oring in republican strong hold counties are they going to use the information to pump up turnout, by using the false voter registration? to increase romney's potential to win that state? it raises a lot of questions. >> al and raymond. impeach tho republican want to
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coming up, chris wallace of fox news calls republican conspiracy theories about the polls crazy. john nichols will join me. the candidacy of todd akin is a cancer on the gop's chances of taking over the senate. the very latest in this big senate race and other races. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hash tag ed show. we are coming right back. back of my parents' medicine cabinet. finding bayer advanced was huge. i was really surprised by how well it worked. and i'd definitely use it again. put bayer advanced aspirin to the test for yourself at
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it was really a bad week for mitt romney. he wanted to take some time and look for bright spots in the romney campaign. can we find them? maybe something can fire up romney's dejected supporters here. let's hear what the candidate himself had to say at a fund raiser in pa er ir in pennsylva. >> we would really shock people in early in the evening of november 6th it looked like pennsylvania was going to come our way and actually did come our way. and that can happen. that can happen. >> key word there was "shock," that can really happen. a real confidence booster, isn't it? romney is right to feel uneasy about pennsylvania. a republican pollster in the state told reporters why romney
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is in such a bad position with pennsylvania voters. >> i think the bain capital ads that the president has run and the super pacs have run have stopped some of mitt romney's growth in the western part of the state with working class voters. >> romney isn't getting much support from those closest to him either. anonymous friends of the campaign associates savaged the candidate in politico. louie candidate. doesn't know the the room. not a great politician. and he's missing the normal guy gene. >> "i think romney is in trouble. and he has got to win this debate. i don't think it can be well, it was a draw and -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute. where did you get that from? what do you mean romney's in trouble? because of this poll manipulation crap? >> let me just say something. the criticism of the polls is
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craziness. i did some research on this today, which is more than you've done. >> some righties are losing their nerve. former comedian and current conservative talker dennis mill are tweeted "i'm ignoring the polls. one, i think they're rigged. two, it's too traumatizing for me to think my country has gotten this helpless. you have to wonder how much more of this mess romney supporters can actually ignore. let's bring in democratic strategist bob shrum. is there a bright spot for the romney campaign? >> yes, the election isn't being held tomorrow. they can hope something happens in the debates or some other kind of event or some issue breaks their way. even that i think would be difficult at this point for romney to catch up. i think after the debate, by the way, assuming he sticks to a script, doesn't do something spontaneous and calamitous,
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memorizes his answers, we may see the press give him a little bit of a ride and say, well, it's time to say this thing isn't over and romney still has a chance. when you listen to him like in that pennsylvania excerpt you showed today, the only way he can carry pennsylvania when you look at these polls is if voter suppression works there. if the voter suppression law is upheld by the courts, that is the only way they can win pennsylvania and that's to steal it. >> what about the first debate? it's next week. is it a must win? and what kind of candidate are we're going to see in mitt romney? he's touched other opponents. he's challenged them to a $10,000 bet. he's lost his cool, he's shouted them down. is what what's he's going to do on wednesday night? >> no, i don't think he's going to do that. the way he can win the debate is if he prepares very vigorously.
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i think z president ron portman, he's got to get that script, memorize it and hold to it. if he does that, i think there's some chance that the press wants to say he's done well, he conceivably could wayne the debate. he also benefits from going in there with very low expectations. >> are the expectations too high on the president? >> of course the expectations are too high for the president. five of the last six ibt presidents who faced challengers in first debates have lost. history says that can easily happen. only two challengers then went on to win the election. secondly, the president has not debated in four years. i assume he's preparing, but not as much as romney because he has some other things he has to do. so his ek peksations a-- expect
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way too high. >> romney is polling worse in favorability right now than john mccain was four years ago at this point. what's that mean now if anything? >> i've been thinking about this. i talked to a friend who is in the other party, i can't say who it is -- >> they got to be worried. >> he said, look, romney's problem isn't that people don't like him. romney's problem is that people think he doesn't like them. that's what the 47% is all about. that's what all of the -- that's what the medicare stuff is all about. >> what about that comment that operative from pennsylvania said about the bain ads. it seems to me nat obama team really coined this guy early. president obama said he looks like the guy who fired you. and then they went on the bain run. and then there was this war on women, which is taken into effect. i mean, every step of the way romney has been on the defensive. >> you and have i talked about this before.
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he lost the summer, he lost the conventions, he lost the month of september and he can't afford to lose the debates. the obama people were very smart, went out there right away with the bain ads. he defined romney. he had no defense. his only defense was i made free enterprise. he suddenly became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to those reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly those reagan democrats thought romney had understood them, had come from a family a lot like theirs and cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich, by the rim. >> there are big moments in everybody's campaign. and romney's 47% remark may be his.
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thanks for watching "the ed show" tonight. every modern day presidential campaign has what i believe to be a moment of impact. the candidate says something or does something that just leaves a lasting impression and you remember it for years. and sometimes the moment of impact can really kill a
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campaign. >> read my lips, no new taxes. >> michael dukakis has opposed virtually every defense system. >> in oregon and washington and michigan and then we're going to washington, d.c. to take back the white house! >> i actually did vote for the $87 billion before i voted against it. >> there you go again. >> you know who voted for it? might never know. that one. you know who voted against it? me. >> i read most of them again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media. >> what one specifically? i'm curious. >> all of them, any of them that have been in front of me over all these years. >> can you name any? >> i have a vast variety of sources. >> well, there's new evidence
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tonight mitt romney's suffering after his own moment of impact. these words could follow him the rest of his life. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. my job is not to worry about those people. they should take personal responsibility for their lives. have i to convince the 5% that are independent. >> romney's 47% comments just won't go away. in fact, the "new york times" crunched the poll data to find out if the 47% comment is actually hurting the candidate. the poll numbers are pretty steady until romney's 47% comments hits the news. the president is holding on to all of his post-convention gains and keeps gaining. romney is barely holding on or he's losing likely voters as a result of the hidden camera comments. romney's got another problem. lots of candidates have been caught making embarrassing
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mistakes, but romney was caught saying something that he really believes. joining me now, john nichols. great to you have with us tonight. you think romney's comment is a gaffe like the ones we have seen from other candidates in the past that just have made the infamous highlight reel forever? >> i think we may have seen a game changer. you can't say that on the night it happens or the night it comes out. you got to watch over time. but what's significant is that the advantage that obama got as that began to lock in has continued. in fact, his advantage has tennten continued to grow. just in the last couple days analysts have moved almost all of the battleground states like pennsylvania or michigan now likely democratic states.
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>> down in wisconsin as well? >> absolutely. weep saw larry sabato, just moved four u.s. senate races from leans republican to toss-up. these are states like north dakota. i think there is an impact. i think it's at the presidential level and -- >> why is this comment sticking out more than nir othany other? i think it's sticking out because the obama campaign has worked to make sure what kind of economy romney believes in, how he made his money, what his model was, how he's hurt a bunch of workers and has never done anything for the middle class. the timing of it matched up with the way the campaign has put him out in front of the country. you couldn't write a better script for the obama team. >> you'd be hard pressed. i think there's a reason for it. when a candidate fits his stereotype, then all of the efforts he makes to undo it just
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don't work. and then i think there is a second component and that is that he selected as his running mate paul ryan. paul ryan, someone who is passionate about deconstructing comments of the 47%. >> has romney's campaign done a good job of responding to the criticism? >> he first comes out and says i stand by it basically. number one, that's bad. but then as he's tried to move away from it, he's ended up stumbling all over the place. the other day he was talking about showing empathy by doing health care reform in massachusetts, which simply reinforced that if that's empathy, then barack obama -- >> do you think the president used 47% to box him in?
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>> i think so but he's got to be careful. obama doesn't want 47%, he wants 51, 52, 53. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. >> the first day or two it was like the waco with the david koresh situation where they're trying to smoke him out. >> todd akin's own campaign is comparing him to a cult leader. >> this is somebody who makes michelm michele bachmann look like a hippie. brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech.
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welcome back to "the ed show." things got a little more complicated and a little more strange in the senate race. congressman todd akin coined the phrase "legitimate rape." romney asked him to drop out. race. he refused. he admitted going to jail a couple decades ago, spoke out against fair pay for women and a key staffer is comparing him to david koresh during the siege at waco. she meant it as a compliment. texas senator john cornyn announced the republican senate committee will not put any money into akin's race. he said i just think that it's not a winnable race. so it's pretty much a business decision.
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but former speaker newt gingrich threw his support behind akin earlier this week. he also get mike huckabee's report, senator kit bond are following suit. the chair of the republican national committee said he would not support akin not matter what. >> are you going to support him? >> no, no. it can be tight. we're not going to send him a penny. >> but reince priebus may be changing his behind on akin, too. today he told cbs news "as chairman of the party i have an obligation to make sure we win as many seats in the senate as possible. the republicans need the race, no question about it. we'll see how far they're going to go to actually win it. in the meantime, akin has found a new way to insult women in missouri. democrat claire mccaskell, her campaign is circulating new video of akin explaining why he doesn't support the fair pay
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act. >> i believe in free enterprise. i don't think the government should be telling people what you pay and what you don't pay. i think it's about freedom. if somebody wants to hire somebody and they agree on a salary, that's fine. >> but the akin campaign may have topped itself today. akin's top pollster compared him to david koresh. she says the days after aiken's legitimate rape content was like the standoff in 1983. akin's pollster meant the comparison as a compliment. >> the first day or two where it was like the waco with david koresh situation where they're trying to smoke him out with the swat teams and the helicopters and the bad nancy sinatra records and then here comes day two and you realize the guy's not coming out of the bunker. >> after that comparison, claire mccaskell's comment seems like high praise. >> this is somebody who kind of
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make michele bachmann look like a hippie. >> and finally, check out this headline on the talking points headline tonight "team akin: it's all going according to plan." let's bring in senior contributing writer for "newsweek," michelle goldberg and ari nelson, correspondent. great to have both of you with us. can you tell us what according plan is in this akin race? >> it's fascinating. this is another case of not so much that she's a wild cat comment but about this fair pay act, it's another case of conservatives accidentally saying what they really believe. usually conservatives will say they oppose fair pay laws because it opens businesses up to frivolous lawsuits, because we already have civil rights legislation to take care of anti-discrimination law. they don't usually come out and
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say it's about freedom, it's a business's right to pay women less for equal work. romney may not support todd akin but we should ask him hough he feels about this legislation that todd akin, if he's elected, will be voting on. >> this is one race the republicans early on are expected to win. john cornyn saying he doesn't think it's winnable. can akin win this race? >> i think it's possible. missouri is one of the only swing states that mccain still polled out last time when he lost ohio and other places. there's been a lot of improvement in the polls but neither candidate has ever moved very far past 50%. so that tells you that even with everything jamming up the system, this is a close race. >> but he apologized once for his remark about women, legitimate rape. and now he has come out of --
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saying employers shouldn't have to pay women the same money in the workplace. >> so often the defense is -- we have different values with you but it's. >> jason: the wom >> the women in the terrible situation of rape, you see someone in -- >> claire mccaskell said the decision could affect other candidates. >> watch the national republicans. they all said it was unacceptable what he did. and i think scott brown and linda mcmahon and a lot of candidates out there are really going to be in trouble if the republicans go back on their word and try to fund todd akin.
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>> a lot of republicans -- >> reince priebus drew the line. how is he going to come back. sn. >> jim demint is backing him. there's a substantial section of the party that supports akin. when i was very republican national convention, i saw more than a few todd akin buttons. they're torn in two different directions. on the other hand, there's a lot of voices within the party that want to see them hurting up for his own. >> he's number ten on the list of things that's hurting romney. >> but it does go back to what you say at the start, you have to tie this back to mitt romney, back to women. this is back when people wanted to ban child labor. i don't think there's a woman in america who has looked at the
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facts that say i want to be free to get less money for the same day's work. >> would president obama's team in a position of strength with all of this happening go down and try to grab missouri. it's not a state he's expected to win, it was a bellwether state in the last election, no question about it. his unwillingness to get behind ad akin, doesn't thank the die naekic -- >> if he's doing well and sfrt conservatives are doing well and that changes the dynamic. >> what do you think, michelle? >> i think it would be smart for them to test it again. i don't know that they'll necessarily win the state. i don't know that she would necessari
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tonight, mitt romney is flooding the airwaves promising to get tough on china and president obama is getting tough on mitt. in the past 30 days, 60% of mitt romney's tv advertising has addressed trade with china. he's run 19,000 bogus commercials just like this one. >> china is stealing american ideas and technology. everything from computers to fighter jets. seven times obama could have taken action. seven times he said no. >> president obama has fought back with his own barrage of ads on china. >> day one, president romney stands up to china. >> but would he? "the washington post" has just revealed that romney's companies were pioneers in shipping u.s. jobs overseas. romney's never stood up to china. all he's ever done is send them our jobs. >> the president is also fighting back with facts on the campaign trail. >> when you see these ads he's running promising to get tough
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on china, it feels a lot like that fox saying you know, we need more secure chicken coops. i mean, it's just not credible. ohio, i'll tell what you i've done. we've brought more trade cases against china in one term than the previous administration did in two. and, by the way, we've been winning those cases. >> president obama spot on. his record on china is very clear. the obama administration as filed, couldn't them, eight cases against china over unfair trade practices, including one last week accusing china of providing illegal subsidies to its parts industry. in 2009 president obama imposed a tax on chinese tires putting 1,000 workers, americans, back to work. it's a move mitt romney opposed at the time. and today president obama blocked a chinese company from building wind farms near an oregon naval base.
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the white house cited national security risks and ordered all equipment removed within two weeks. for more on this, let's turn to california congressman john garamendi. john, great to have you with us tonight. >> always good. >> you bet. everyone knows affiliates of bain outsourced jobs to china when romney was there. what do you make of romney attacking the president for being weak, allegedly weak on china. is this his defense mechanism knowing he's got a terrible record of shipping jobs over there? >> no doubt about it. this is right out of karl rove's play book. if you're week, you attack the opponent for that same weakness and that's what he's doing. however, this opponent, president obama, is not at all weak on this issue. he's very, very strong on this issue. also the republicans in the house of representatives are atrocious on dealing with china. and there are example after example. boehner and the republicans
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refused to take up the currency issue. we passed when the democrats controlled the house, we passed a chinese currency bill that would penalize china. boehner refuses to take it up, even though it's passed the senate and is sitting in the house now. there are numerous other examples, tax policy. but the big one happens to be what you so well pointed out in your ads and that has to do with making it in america, rebuilding the american manufacturing base which we can do with good, wise public policy. >> has president obama been doing good job going after china on unfair trade practices? is it having an effect? were there a thousand job actually saved? that is what is being reported. do you believe that? >> that and more. the president went after china on the dumping of solar panels below cost literally or virtually or almost destroying the solar panel manufacturing sector in the united states. but he went after them and that's shifting and and now the
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solar panel manufacturers are founding stable ground on which they can now expand and build american jobs. >> and what do you make of the romney campaign running the majority of their china ads in ohio? is that maybe to counter the success of the automobile loan? >> absolutely. there's no doubt about it. but there's so much more that we could do, ed. for example, we ought to be using our tax money to buy american made equipment. china's doing that and using our money in china to build chinese products. we need to do that back home. that's my legislation. make it in america, use our tax money to buy american made equipment. >> and the republicans aren't on board with that? >> no. my opponent actually opposes that, thinks that some sort of regulatory thing. i'm going wait a minute, it's good public policy. it works. right here in sacramento, a german company is manufacturing locomotives, 70 of them, 100% american made because the stimulus bill said amtrak was to
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buy locomotives 100% american made. they're made here in sacramento. >> i wanted to ask you about the latest fox news poll up by 7% in ohio. could romney's bogus ads be hurting him there because romney knows what the president did on tires? >> his taubes are not supported by facts. people are going to go this guy is just not straight, he just not honest. those ad, incorrect, are going to be proven incorrect and romney is going to be hurt by that one more time on a long list of being incorrect and also flip-flopping on issues. >> and you're causing issues with the republican. the super pac has launched about a half a million dollar ad bite against you. how are you going to fight it? >> we're going to fight it with the truth, with the facts for many, many years i have fought
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thing about boys. i took on the insurance industry when i was insurance commissioner. we won. we protected people in california from the insurance industry. now they want medicare. they want to control the medicare dollars. no way, no how, we're not going to let them do that. >> congressman, good to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. you bet. that's "the ed show." the "rachel maddow show starts right now. >> good evening, my friend. we have a lot to do next week. >> i'll be in colorado monday and tuesday and back for the big on wednesday night. >> thanks for staying with us. the latest swing state polls. mitt romney supporters, you might want to look away for this part. president obama is up by 2 points. in swing state new hampshire, it's president obama up by 5 points, in swing state up pennsylvania, it president obama up a by 7 points. do we still call michigan a


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